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Sarah's Death...

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Postby michael<3sara on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:51 am

ITA with all you guys! you're just much more eloquent than me lol :D
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Postby vntou on Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:15 pm

omg, have u guys seen this? it's so funny but so sad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS8CYty_vQU
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Postby Insanity on Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:29 pm

omg LMAO that is so funny. sorry, but it was. loved dean: whats in the box! ahaha
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Postby Nanika on Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:28 am

WHAT'S INDA BOOOOOX!!!! :laughing:
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Postby Rob on Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:43 pm

hahahhaha omh love it!
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Postby Speedy on Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:40 am

From Nick Santora:
I appreciate that some of you have asked people not to post these questions about SWC, but since I re-opened the topic with my last post (though I did it only because I really had a problem with some of the internet chatter making very unfair and innacurate comments about SWC -- she is a former colleague and a friend of mine and I just had a problem with some of the stuff people were saying about her so I wanted to clarify things). But since I did make that post, I can quickly answer anna 2007's questions:
1) yes, Sara Tancedi's shocking death was a result of SWC and the studio not being able to come to an agreement. We had to show she was dead but we didn't have the actress because a deal couldn't be made for SWC to appear in a certain number of episodes. If Linc opens the box and there is, say, just a heart in the box, well, he wouldn't know the heart belonged to Sara. So we had to convince Linc she was dead but at the same time we didn't have the actress. So we went with the head/box idea. I know some of you don't like that we went with that idea, but all we can do is try our best and put the show out there and hope people like it. Some people liked it, some didn't. But either way, I appreciate that everyone (those who liked it and those who didn't) have taken the time to become invested and express their opinions.
2) Yes, negotiations and renegotiations can be had. And they were had for a very long time in this case. When 2 sides can't come to an agreement ( and since I am neither the studio nor SWC I really don't know any of the details of the negotiations), sometimes they just decide to walk away from the deal. Neither side is to blame. Just happens. I love SWC, she is great. And I love working at 20th. They are a great place to work. It just didn't work out in this case, but we are going to keep trying to bring you the best show possible.

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Postby lana on Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:42 am

I really miss her :(
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Postby Sam on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:30 pm

vntou wrote:omg, have u guys seen this? it's so funny but so sad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS8CYty_vQU


OMG the last bit made me :laughing2:
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Postby Speedy on Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:31 pm

Here is a post that I found in another board about the Sara situation and the new direction in general from the show. I think she made very good points.
Much has been said about the death of Sara. There are differing opinions and we need to respect all.
Liking that Sara is gone (or not really caring one way or another) is perfectly acceptable. A person may watch for other reasons. They don’t have to get the whole MISA thing to be a BP fan.
Being torn apart that Sara is gone is fine as well. If MISA gave you some reason to watch (I am sure that it was only part of the motivation) then her death would leave a void.

If Sara being gone has hurt your opinion of the show, you are entitled to that. It does not make you less of a fan. Staying, despite her death, does not make you more of a fan. Fans see different things in PB and that is one of the interesting things about this show. It seems to draw a variety of people because of its myriad storylines and characters.

Personally, I am trying to come to terms with the death of Sara. MISA was not my primary motivation for watching the show. I have to admit that one of my primary motivations was seeing DP in open shirts. Shallow? Yes. I fully admit this. But as I watched the show I fell for so many of the characters and the relationships between them.

I have adored watching the father-son relationship develop between Linc and LJ. I still watch scenes from S1 in which LJ could barely stand to look at his dad. His love and admiration now are heart-warming. Watching Linc’s pain at this point knowing what he has done to put LJ in harm’s way is sad, but there is a kind of bitter-sweetness at the fact that they HAVE a relationship now to strive to continue. In the back of my mind is the hope of a happy ending here. In the back of my mind I keep thinking that all will turn out well. I have hope that Linc and LJ will have their moment as C-Note had with his family.

You see, although PB is a story that contains action, twists and turns, and so many bizarre, yet intriguing events, there is always hope. Why watch without hope? I believe they call it faith. Would I watch if I actually thought like Kellerman? “We’re all going to die…” He says on the roof to Lincoln. He goes on to say that he just hopes to bring some people down with him. Could this be the REAL purpose of PB? Death and total destruction, not hope? I can just see it, as Michael and Lincoln die in the final scene Linc says, “You see, Michael, faith is a total freakin’ joke.” OK, PB writers, way to throw us a curve ball there! At least you weren’t predictable.

I really do not want to think that it could be. Would I have watched Patriot Games if I thought Jack Ryan would die? Would I have watched Die Hard (Ok, I liked the first one) thinking that Bruce Willis would not see his family? How about any of the James Bond movies? James Bond lives, right? They don’t kill off Helen in the Incredibles to make Mr. Incredible bitter and angry. (Sorry, with kids now my movie allusion are usually of the animated kind).

It’s just not done. Not in this type of genre. PB is an action movie, but it was not sold to us as a show that would become so dark and disturbed that it would cross all lines of decency. If it was going to be that, it should have been clearer from the beginning.
Imagine, you are sitting in the theatre watching James Bond and all of a sudden, about halfway through the movie, it turns into a Freddie Krueger movie. Would I want my money back? Heck, yeah!

My point is that sometimes certain characters ARE sacred. This may not be for who they are, but for what they represent, either symbolically or to another more important character.

Sara is such a character. Her bond with Michael was clear to many. Was it love? I’m not sure. But it was important. And the show certainly set us up to think it was important. They sold us on this. We bought it.
Another point is that although a character can be complex and also change, they should still be essentially the same character. Michael seems to be being led in a direction that is contrary to what we have come to know. Who is he becoming? Do we want this? We are supposed to believe that he will now change his entire feeling about killing other people because of what they did to Sara?

Michael has had many chances to kill or seriously injure another in his quest to save his brother and subsequently himself, Sara, LJ, etc. and he did not take those chances. He preaches to Sucre about not losing himself. But NOW it is OK to change all that? NOW Michael will think that this fine because it is OK to kill others and change who you are when you are not just really angry, but REALLY angry? Yeah, sure, very true to the character. They may as well get another actor to play the character if they are going to stray so far from the Michael we have all come to love and admire.

When writers can surprise us as they have so many times in PB we become increasingly motivated to watch the show. We can’t wait to see what will happen next. But there is a point for most people at which they feel that the writers have gone too far. For many, it seems, it was Sara’s decapitation. Many feel that the show crossed a line they never really believed it would cross, both with the death of Sara (with all that she and her relationship with Michael represented) and also with the manner of her death. It is this crossing of the line that has caused many to lose the hope for some sort of a happy ending.

I know it is difficult for some to feel this way. It is merely a difference of opinion. I wish I could be like others and feel the show is more edgy, more interesting, with this turn of events. I just can’t. I have lost the faith that was the recurring theme woven through the story line and reiterated by the brothers as they encountered so many difficult situations. I no longer feel like I have anything to watch for. My faith, it seems is gone.

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Postby lana on Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:17 pm

I agree with her on some points!
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Postby Speedy on Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:25 am

lana wrote:I agree with her on some points!

Yes, she made some really good points. Interesting is also that she is primary not a MiSa-fan, but a Lincoln-fan. So it becomes clear that not only the Sara-fans are disappointed about the new direction of the show.
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Postby lana on Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:30 pm

Yep, a lot of non-misa fans, do miss her!! :D
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Postby Speedy on Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:34 pm

lana wrote:Yep, a lot of non-misa fans, do miss her!! :D

Well, not every Sara-fan has to be a MiSa-fan. I remember that in the old times of PrisonBreakScene there were people who wanted to see her with other guys. But actually the point of that post is more that they are missing the hope aspect in the series and how Sara represented it for Michael.
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Postby michael<3sara on Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:53 pm

yeah, they took away his only real chance for salvation. this season was supposed to be about redemption, not vengence.
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Postby Speedy on Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:58 pm

michael<3sara wrote:this season was supposed to be about redemption, not vengence.

What I think is interesting is that we didn't heard much from Paul Scheuring in the last months, but much about Matt Olmstead. I heard in many places that people are getting suspicious that Scheuring is losing influence and that the move from redemption to vengence as subject of this season is a prove of it. It was always Scheuring who talked about redemption and who mentioned that Sara is one of the strongest components of the show. Maybe he was agaisnt her death, but over voted by others (I heard that rumour from someone).
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